tortured logic

WALLACE: So even these cases where they went beyond the specific legal authorization, you’re OK with it?

CHENEY: I am.


John McCain dissents, which is sure to inflame Republicans who’d rather follow the lead of draft dodgers and the morbidly obese. Besides, what would McCain know about torture?

Before responding with Fat Bastard’s talking points, ask yourself how facilitating a new generation of terrorists makes us safer?

cheerleaders for torture

Granted, Jesse Ventura is a nut, but as a former Navy Seal who’s actually been waterboarded, he knows of what he speaks. Private Elizabeth Hasselbeck, not so much.
We’ve seen this movie before, with all-knowing civilians like Limbaugh and Hannity taking on former POW John McCain for his opposition to waterboarding. It seems the more one defends torture, the less likely it is they ever served a day in the military.

who do you trust, conservatives?

Most on the right seem to accept as gospel Dick “We will be greeted as liberators” Cheney’s assertion that America is less safe because we no longer torture. Gen. David Petraeus, who saved the administration’s ass in Iraq, disagrees.
I know the Washington Post won’t dissuade many conservatives, but their reporting here is thorough.

In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida’s tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida — chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates — was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.

According to a top intelligence official, millions of dollars were wasted “chasing false alarms.”

“I’ve seen a report that was written, based upon the intelligence that we collected then, that itemizes the specific attacks that were stopped by virtue of what we learned through those programs,” Cheney asserted, adding that the report is “still classified,” and, “I can’t give you the details of it without violating classification.”

Since 2006, Senate intelligence committee members have pressed the CIA, in classified briefings, to provide examples of specific leads that were obtained from Abu Zubaida through the use of waterboarding and other methods, according to officials familiar with the requests.

The agency provided none, the officials said.

Administration mouthpieces like O’Reilly and Hannity continue to claim that, ahem, enhanced interrogation techniques saved American lives. Their proof? Dick Cheney says so.

Ask the Soldiers

They’re not so keen on torture (from Armed Forces Journal):

Let AFJ be crystal clear on a subject where these men are opaque: Waterboarding is a torture technique that has its history rooted in the Spanish Inquisition. In 1947, the U.S. prosecuted a Japanese military officer for carrying out a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II.

Waterboarding inflicts on its victims the terror of imminent death. And as with all torture techniques, it is, therefore, an inherently flawed method for gaining reliable information. In short, it doesn’t work. That blunt truth means all U.S. leaders, present and future, should be clear on the issue.